365 Days of the Murph Challenge with Dew Spicher

1 mile run, 100 pull ups, 200 push ups, 300 squats, top it off with another mile run - all in a 20 lb vest. For the past year, Dew Spicher has been crushing the infamous “Murph Challenge” every single day, while also raising money for nonprofits.

Dew is a high performance coach and brand ambassador for Few Will Hunt. Dew's dedication to the challenge has truly reshaped his approach to training both himself and his clients, and opened his eyes to the unshakeable bravery of those in the armed forces.

Not even over-training, sickness, or anxiety could deter Dew from giving his all to support those who have sacrificed for him. For him, there's simply no room for excuses. Join us in applauding Dew's amazing service to his community, and tune in to find our more about how we can all strive to support those around us.

But that’s not all. Here is a list of the other organizations Dew supports:

-Michael Murphy Foundation 

-Fit For Duty Foundation 

-Global War On Terrorism Memorial Foundation 

-Mission 22

-Homes For Our Troops

-Help Hard

-Adopt a Cop BJJ

-Black Rifle Coffee Fund 

-One More Wave

Dew Spicher on Instagram
Murph Challenge Website

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  Dew Spicher 0:00

  I just honestly like, mentally that my first thought would just go to why am I doing this? And who am I doing it for? And what do they have to endure on the daily? Or what did they endure? Or how did things actually end up for them? So like even marks a really good example like you think about those guys and operation Redwing like it's not just Murph, but it was all those guys like, they they didn't come home man like, and they fall like hell to try to come home. And I'm sure like, what they were going through sucked a lot more. And then you think about, like their families and their friends back home, like What did that feel like? I'm sure that hurt a lot more than, you know, my shoulder feeling really bummed. So all of those kinds of things was just like, okay, like I can, I can do this, I can push through it a little bit.

  JT 1:01

  Alright, let's jump in. Before we get this episode, start with a little bit of housekeeping. It's a new month. And you know what that means? A new habit challenge. For the month of June, the COA Challenge Challenge is to get your ass outside. There's been a lot a lot of studies, a lot of science behind this recent study in Japan show that taking a 20 minute walk outside, or as they call a Nature Bath, had the same effects on our mental health as some of the medications that millions people are taken for things like anxiety and depression. Except this is free. All you got to do is open your door, step outside, find someplace nice, find a little beautiful place to some place it that bring some calm or Pistia and just sit there man. So I don't care whether or just run, do you exercise, just sit, I don't care, whatever you're going to do. The challenge for June is to get outside make this a priority. You deserve it, man, everyone around you deserves the best version of you. And more importantly, you deserve it. So get out there. Next we got a couple exciting things coming up here. The first is going to be on July 8. at CrossFit bear in bear Delaware, we're going to have our next in person. Wim Hof cold exposure breathwork event. This thing is filling up pretty quick. So if you are in that area, if you're in Philadelphia, if you're in northern Maryland, Delaware, Southern jersey, I don't shit if you're in Oregon, and you want to fly here, whatever it is, make sure you head on over to consequence of habit.org hit the events you're gonna see under the Events tab, sign up, so that makes spots left. So we're covering almost all the costs, like 90% of the costs, we only asked for a $35 donation is DOH. And to be honest with you, that's just to make sure you show up. I mean, we've had people sign up for our stuff in the past. And if we make it free, it's easy to blow off. And that's a spot that somebody else couldn't go because that had filled up. So that's the only reason we're kind of asking for that. It's the secret don't tell anybody but so if you guys want to do that, like I said, head on over to consequence of habit.or hit the events and make sure you sign up next. This is a man. This is a little earlier but I can't keep this secret in. We have a speaking engagement happening that the venue is to be determined. But Special Forces Greenbrae Nick Lavery is going to come to he's going to come to Wilmington, Delaware, and he's going to speak on behalf of CLh. So we're gonna be inviting all of the military, all the law enforcement, anyone who actually wants to count me like I don't want to make this just about the military and law enforcement of first responders because I do believe that Nick's story is bigger than that. He gets a lot of attention he's been on Jocko he gets attention because of his accomplishments of of losing his leg and in combat, training back up on a prosthetic and being the first guy to get back on Greenbrae his special forces team with a prosthetic but to be honest with you, man, and he'll he'll be the first to tell you that his story, his journey, all of this is bigger than it's bigger than just being in the military. So he's going to talk about the impact that habits have had on on his life and his his ability to to succeed and accomplish all the things he set his mind to. So stay tuned on that you're not going to find that under the events yet. I'm just too excited to not talk about him. So stay tuned on that. Okay, that brings us to this week's guest this week I sat down with do Speicher I didn't know do I never even spoken before this. We've gone back and forth on social media but you don't really know somebody through an Instagram message. So I was a little apprehensive it's not the first time I've done this. I've done it before and it hasn't necessarily paid off. But boy did it this time. Let me back up. Do you have this audacious goal this actually many people and insane goal. A lot of us have just finished the Murph challenge And I mean, I did and I'm still wrecked days after I did not prepare for this and I am destroyed while do decided he was going to do 365 Merce over one year. And when I first saw this, I was brought to my attention by by some of the guys that fuel hunt. I said, There's no way, there's no way that this dude's gonna last. Because it's not just a physical thing, right? Like there's the actual act of doing a Murph every single day. But but the stress of that is takes on on not just you, your family, everyone around you. And like why the hell would somebody do this to themselves? Well, the answer is, in the service of others. Do you committed to this and during the entire time for the past year, he's raised money for for law enforcement and for veteran causes that are dear to his heart, once he finds some synergy in their messaging and the things that they get behind? So this conversation we do because not only is this guy, just a bad dude, to be able to do this, the way he communicates why he does, why he did the thing that he did. I mean, that's part of it, right? Like you have to be able to get this message crossed. And he's pretty candid about his is this journey is some of the challenges along the life both physically and mentally and in the things that he's gone through injustice, this meat grinder of life along the way, but this one thing has stayed consistent. So I really enjoyed this conversation. I hope you guys get as much from this as I did. Without further ado, please welcome the podcast do spiker.

  All right, do I mentioned this before we even hit record? In all fairness, United We don't even know each other right? We know each other from social media and sharing each other's stuff and you wouldn't know is being that we're both wearing the same shirt right now. You think we are BFFs and planets thing but I'm excited about this one man. I've been following your journey, what you're doing for for a while now. And I appreciate you taking the time to come on the podcast.

  Dew Spicher 7:19

  Yeah, man, I appreciate you having me. I said this too, before we even started. But like it's still weird to me like you want to talk to me. So I think the t shirt just comes down to good taste. Yeah.

  JT 7:29

  And so anyone who's not watching this video the big shout out to the men and women over at fuel Hans, they've supported us I know they've supported you quite a bit do as well in your endeavors. And that just happens to be the apparel that we're both rockin Tina, Nellie. I mean literally the exact same shirt

  Dew Spicher 7:49

  the exact same period

  JT 7:52

  it's funny. All right, do I'm gonna be honest with you when I first saw what you're doing you and it was through fuel hunt right? I think there was some connection there that I saw. Joey maybe posted something or drew it posted something about what you're doing. I was like this guy's out of his mind. This seems absolutely nuts. So now just so the audience knows what the hell we're talking about. What is it you've undertaken an almost finished now and and what will let's just start with that. What is it you've been doing for the past 361 days

  Dew Spicher 8:29

  I've been doing the Murph every day for the past 361 days. I started last year so I started June 1 2020 to some I got four I got four marks to do in the next three days. So I have one more double to do. But it is like you said like we don't really know each other that well. Anybody who do who does know me very well it's it's so outside of my comfort zone and I I love working out I do it regularly. I'm a strength conditioning coach by trade. But like my my go to my bread and butter man is like heavy barbell lifting and just, you know, maybe some sprint work for you know, cardio. And I would always try to do the Murph every year like a memorial to like most people should like oh, like, hey, it's Memorial weekend like I got to try to do the Murph and it would just be oh my god, dude, that'd be exhausting the amount of like, the first year I tried it, I mean, it took me well over an hour I was cramping up the entire time. It just got like a little better, like maybe shaved off a couple of minutes each year because I just I'd be like, oh shoot like it's like two weeks away but or maybe I should like hit a mile or two every other day or something like that. And then And then last year, I just really wanted to do a good time and so like I would do like variations of it and like modified versus just leading up to just trying to be like okay, like magic. Just prepare myself a little better. And then the day after Memorial Day, I saw another guy who had done this. And I was just like, that's, that's crazy. Like, that's like, who does that? And I was like, why wouldn't I do that? Like, this is like, it's gonna be outside my comfort zone. I don't want to have to think about anything anymore with like, my working out. I've done Merce before, like I've had, like friends and other veterans, I don't even know. And they're like, you know, are you really even doing anything to help? Like, you know, how much does like your workout really impact like, people who need your help, or lives lost and things like that. And so, I think all those things just kind of hit me at once. And I was just like, like, Screw it. Like, I'm gonna do this every day. For the next year. I didn't plan it. Like, it was just, I saw it, I thought about everything. And then I immediately put it on social media, because like, if I put this out there for other people to see, and I don't do it, they can call my bullshit. And then like, you know, it is what it is like, Oh, you said you were gonna do this, you didn't do it. So I didn't like, think on it or anything. I was just like, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do right now. Let's just do it. And so that's just kind of like how the whole idea, like kind of came to fruition was just, I always liked the Murf. I like the idea of it. I like what it stands for. I know the story very well behind it. And then I saw somebody else who, you know, kind of took that same journey, and just like, you know, a man, I can do this. And everything I wanted to do behind it was to kind of just push, you know, some sort of fundraising or something to people who really need the help.

  JT 11:47

  I mean, it's, it's an audacious goal that I would think most people would put more thought into prior but but maybe that thought is of not overthinking is what makes it you know, that's, I mean, to me, that's the only way you can actually agree to almost has to be like this spontaneous, like, I'm going to do this. Here's the line in the sand, I'm pointing out to the world. And now, I'm going to be held accountable one way or the other.

  Dew Spicher 12:18

  Right. Yeah. I mean, if I would have thought on it, say for like, a couple of days, I can guarantee you like, there would have been some large percentage of errors and like, talk myself out of it, and I and I would have done it really well. It's hard to be like, Whoa, you know, like, this isn't probably the best training plan, like, it would have been like, oh, it's gonna suck could have been like, I would have tried to convince myself like, oh, like, are these really like, where your goals are, like, a lot, like, so I was just, like, screw, I'm just gonna do it.

  JT 12:46

  Because as a strength and conditioning coach, which I'm not, so I don't even know if I'm justified in saying this. But, you know, it's, it's that change in workouts, like, if it's just like reaching a goal and your goal. Now, we're not talking of the same goal of raising awareness to veteran organizations that that could use the support. But I'm just talking about personally, I imagine there's better ways to reach your physical goals and, and we're going to get into your recent hospital skin, and maybe what some of the concepts were the consequences of that, that that quick decision. But let's, let's, let's dive a little more into, alright, you make this this conscious choice. You've decided that there's more to this than just this personal thing for you to post about it? Right, this is there's a deeper meaning behind it. And that is to raise money for for nonprofits you find, you know, some synergy with their mission and what they're doing. What was that process like for you? To kind of what like, what was that vetting process for you decide, hey, this is what I'm going to get behind?

  Dew Spicher 14:01

  Yeah, it was actually that was probably the, the toughest part, to be quite honest with you. I have a lot of friends and a lot of family members who are or still are in the military. And or law enforcement, because that was like another driving force behind it too. And I've always been a huge supporter of it, like whatever I can try to do. You know, I, I try to be even like, on my side of things, like as a professional like, for strength conditioning, like, you know, I try to reach out to people and like, try to help you know, whether it's someone who's active duty, someone who in law enforcement, like hey, like, I'll do whatever I can to help you out sometimes like, I won't even charge them but just like this is like me just giving back to you. You know, trying to reach out to like my local police like the police station here and like town and just saying hey, like I offer whatever I can for you guys. And so, but at the end of the day, like so like Like, I don't want to talk ill or anything like that about anybody, but maybe there's like one certain very large, nonprofit organization for military who just has a really bad rap. And I wanted to avoid things like that, because I wanted to make sure, okay, best case scenario, I raised a lot of money for a lot of different organizations like, is this money actually going to be used well, and for the right people. And so the first thing I started doing was reaching out to those people that I knew, like, Hey, this is what I'm doing. This is why I want to do it. And this is kind of like where I want to shift the focus. Who can I send this money to? Who can I like, highlight? I mean, I had clients who were given me like, hey, like, you need to check out these guys. And these guys, I've used them, they've helped me I've had friends use them. And then, you know, just reaching out to just, that was pretty much just reaching out to people who like, we're either going to be directly impacted by this, or knew enough about like that community to say, like, hey, like, I trust these people. Like, this is gonna like, if, when it goes to them, they're going to use it the right way for the right people. And I think I started off with like, like, five, and I end up growing to like nine or 10. Just because like, along the way, somebody would be like, Hey, you really check out like these people, they're doing a really good job. If you can, like highlight anything for them, you know, that'd be great, too. So that was pretty much it, but it just kind of like developed over time. Because I don't even think I had, I think when I first started, I think I just had like, like Michael Murphy Foundation. And like maybe like one or two other ones where I was just like, I know for sure like this is going to be okay, like put on there. And I just start growing from there. But like me, personally, I didn't really, I didn't trust my knowledge enough to say like, oh, I can just pick all these like organizations and stuff like that. So I just I wanted to reach out to people and like, find out like, you know, what are the best fits for this? Yeah, it's

  JT 17:00

  hard, right? Because just because you have advertisements on TV and famous people speaking for you. And again, that's not directly bashing any one nonprofit, but it is a it's a weird world, the nonprofit, right? And you want the most money from your dollar going to what the actual cause is. So did you struggle with that at all? As far as I'm only asking you this, because I've even thought about myself, like I posted. I did the Murph yesterday. And for the record, I'm, I'm wrecked today. I'm absolutely I got done. I was like, me and my railing are about to get real close as I go up and down the stairs. But, and let me back up last year I did start off for the month of May was a half a month, every day. And then about a week into it. It was a Murph every day, for most most of the month. So when you wait, and I you know, there's levels to this game, right. So I was like thinking, Man, I did pretty good. And then I saw your story. I was like, Yeah, well, yeah, there's definitely levels. But so it was one of the reasons actually, I was so drawn to, to what you're doing. How do you what was the connection with you a hunt? Like how did that whole thing kind of come to be?

  Dew Spicher 18:27

  Yeah, so I've been following along and like, engage the steel behind since like, 2017, maybe like, yeah, pretty early. I was working. I was working at University of South Alabama. And something popped up like, I don't know, I just saw him on Instagram. And I was like, I was cool. I think I just hit it a fall. Like they had a couple of like motivational things on there. Like, oh, that's cool. And I was like, oh, like they're there. I'm originally from Pennsylvania. So like, I'm from Central Pennsylvania, originally. Closer to like State College, like right smack dab in the middle. My wife's from Pittsburgh area. That's where that's where I am now. I'm like south of Pittsburgh. And like fuel hunts based out of Philadelphia. And so call it whatever it is. But like anytime I see anything like from Pennsylvania, I'm just like, I got a sport. I'm like, that's those are my people, right? Whether you're Philly or Pittsburgh doesn't matter. And so I saw that I was like, Oh, cool. Like, that's really awesome. And I think like a day later. I can't remember who was either drew or Joey reached out to me and was just like, hey, you know, we want to try to like build these Ambassador type things. And like, I didn't really know what that was back then. I mean, like now everybody just like does it for everything and like whatever. But like the way that they kind of presented it was very, very unique. Even even now like I didn't know what it was then but even if they approached me the way they did now, it'd be very unique like those very personal is very, like mission driven. And then like, ever since then, man, I've just been like, do this companies, the people are great missions awesome. I love like, I love what they're doing, why they're doing it, their product has just continued to get better and better and better. Their reach is out like outstanding. They're finding like a niche in certain communities. So like they're doing great with like the fighting community. But then at the same time, like they're still doing so many things for other nonprofits and so like, I just think it was a lot of like, a lot of like mindedness, and there was a good connection there. And then ever since then, man like has been, has been locked on them. So. And I also like, I'll say this, too. And because this was a while ago, I forget where I heard it, but like, everybody would like talks about like Nike, and like, like all these big brands, right? And like, I forget how exactly goes, but someone was just like, you're spending all this money on this brand to represent it, but what are they doing for you? And so like, when, like fuel hunt reached out to me, I was like, Oh, wow, like, this is like actually a chance to really like, represent a brand, feel confident about it, they're gonna be there to support me no matter what, like, so it was like that first kind of like, okay, like, I don't mind wearing this brand and representing it and telling people about it and things like that. So yeah, it's another driving force.

  JT 21:22

  It's strange to have a two way relationship with with a, with a brand or a company, right? Where, right both have this give and take. It's not just a one one way line of communication, right? Where you're just promoting them. Like, I know, they've, they've helped promote you. And anytime I've posted stuff, they've reached out, like, you know, they're 100%, behind everything you've been doing, which is which is cool to see. I want to talk about some of the hard part. And I'm not talking about just the the act of the Murph itself. Let's get into the mental side. How long into this endeavor? Were you questioning? Like, is this thing sustainable for this amount of time?

  Dew Spicher 22:10

  Day two?

  JT 22:14

  Yes, I love the honesty, man.

  Dew Spicher 22:17

  I mean, yeah, I mean, I think the first I don't know, maybe like three weeks, I don't think I use the vest. I mean, I'm, I'm a bigger guy. I started this thing off. And I was like, around 240. Again, like, my whole my whole life, dude, I've just been, I've been lifted heavy, like trying to lift and perform like an athlete and things like that. And so I was just like, alright, like, right now, I just need to make sure I can do this. And I can finish it. And like a decent amount of time. Just so I'm not like out here forever, you know, like, just doing whatever. And so I think, yeah, the first like three weeks or so. I know, vast, but day one. I still I guess I started in June. And so it's not like you know, I'm starting at like in the spring of the fall when the weather's nice. Like It's Hot Man. And the the second day, I think I like get ready to go. I'm like, man, like, this sucks. Like everything, like kind of hurts pretty bad. I'm not really sure like how long I can get into like, I was walking parts of the first a second miles. I mean, my mile times were bad man. Like they were slow. And I do everything here at home and on my street and I live on a street. It's a it's a dead end street. So like that's really convenient. And it's very quiet. But it's uphill and downhill. And so like I'm running up and down hill the whole time. Which sucks so bad. So I mean, like, I'm sure like actual people, people who actually run consistently like understand that. I mean, like running downhill is there's so many forces going into like, people don't realize that they're always like, oh, downhill is running is easier. Like it feels easier. There's actually a lot more forces going into it. So running downhill without much like, I mean, right away I could feel it and running uphill like you're trying to give me you got to work a little bit harder to get up there like the same amount of like, Ah, so I mean, like right away day two, I was just like, Shit dude like this is this is tough. And then

  JT 24:26

  go ahead. You're derailed I actually that's derailed is the wrong word. You face some challenges physically just because of injuries along the way as well. Correct.

  Dew Spicher 24:37

  Oh, dude, like it was pretty early on. I think I just started wearing the vest. And I have an old injury from like, I play college football and like, there's something missing on my left, like my rotator cuff. And so like I forget Uh, what day it was I all this stuff's documented so I can go back. But my like the mic, my rear delt or something, dude, I did like 10 pull ups, and I could not get an alignment I was it hurts so bad, I couldn't do anything. And I was like, What do I do? I can't stop. Like, I think it was less than, like, 60 days in. And I was like, Alright, I'm just gonna start doing like Ring Rows, or like inverted rows, and I'm like, I got to do something, I have to just keep moving. And so I had to modify that for like two or three days. And I started doing like, extra. And so like, on the second day, I was just like, our LM gonna do an extra, like 50 rows instead or something like that. Just because I feel like I'm kind of like cheating, cheating it a little bit. And so like that happened, my knee every, let's just say every other month, my right knee, I took again, another old football injury, ACL, MCL, meniscus, the whole thing was destroyed. So like every other month, I would just have like ridiculous knee pain. right calf plantar fasciitis, like, lower back would get bothered wearing the vest and just running all that pressure up and down, like my neck all the time, my traps, I'd get so locked. I mean, like, it's all the time. And it's like, I don't know what to do in order to self treat and things like that. But like, I don't do it. Not because like I'm trying to be like a hard ask or anything like that. It's just like, things got so busy in life that just like, okay, like, I have time to do this. And like maybe I can like, find like very, very small bits and pieces of time here and there to like, try to treat myself I can. But most of the time, it was just like, I just have to suck this up and work through it. And eventually it will just go away, whether the actual injury went away, or just like, it got to a point where like, I didn't really even notice it anymore. But yeah, I mean, like that the physical injuries alone, just pushing through that and until you like, because like, like we said the beginning, like, as a strength conditioning coach, if any of my athletes or clients were saying any of this guy be like, Dude, you got to stop, like, you gotta take a break, like not saying you can't physically do it, it's just your body's telling you to like pull back a little bit. And so like that's going through my mind the whole time, like, should I really be stopped? Like, is this gonna end up being like, detrimental in some way or whatever. And I just honestly, like, mentally, my first thought would just go to, why am I doing this? And who am I doing it for? And what do they have to endure on the daily? Or what did they endure? Or how to things actually ended up for them? So like, even marks a really good example like, and I think that's why it resonates so well. Is just, you think about those guys and operation Redwing like it's not just Murph, but it was all those guys like, they they didn't come home man like, and they fall like hell to try to come home. And I'm sure like what they were going through sucked a lot more. And then you think about like their families and their friends back home. Like What Did that feel like? I'm sure that hurt a lot more than, you know, my shoulder feeling really bummed. So all of those kinds of things was just like, okay, like I can I can do this, I can push through it a little bit.

  JT 28:22

  That's a common thread. Excuse me, a common, I should say theme of people I've talked to is that ability to push themselves a lot of times comes from putting themselves in the shoes of somebody else or another group and having an understanding or at least trying to understand what that must have been like, and that's allowed them to push themselves. And our first event we did here for consequence a habit as a nonprofit is is we had, we'd brought in two amazing people to do a speaking event and it was around mindfulness and meditation and functional movement. So one of them was former Navy SEAL Commander John McCaskill. I don't know if that name sounds familiar, but he was he was with that group. It wasn't in the field with them. And there's a whole story behind that. But we did this event in Dover Delaware, and I was driving him to Dover because I'm going to deliver since I bought brought Lieutenant Murphy's body back and he was with them. And man like the chills that came over my head like it was it was intense. So he'd flown back to Dover with with Lieutenant Murphy's body and but yeah, it's the Murph and you've you've probably felt this too is is it it's this balance for me of trying to one you remember why you're doing it, but it's also become something that a lot of people have done. And then and this has got nothing to do with you obviously your motivations behind it, you've shown what your motivations and the reason you do it. But it's become a very popular thing across the board. And so I always fight this in my own my own mind like reasons we do it, why do we do and then sit back and go back to even consequences all of this like what is it behind the reason that that we're doing and this is I'm going down a rabbit hole but but I do think that there's for me personally there's there has to be a yin and yang to that a youth you put yourself out there to the world to do this. That takes a special type of personnel to do that. And then the motivation and everything else behind it what you're raising money for. And did you ever have to question that stuff in your own mind of even like putting this out to the world's? You know, what is the motivations? Was that anything that kind of rattle around at all

  Dew Spicher 31:02

  there? Do you mean like, like, Am I doing it for like the Right Reasons kind of thing? Or?

  JT 31:09

  Yeah, I don't even know if when we keep this part in. Yeah, put this to put this out on on social media to draw attention to it and for you. Your own acts to be like the thing that you're doing to be the thing that brings attention. And and I want you to say this, there is? No, I am not questioning why you did I think it's more things I think about in my own mind as I put stuff out to the world.

  Dew Spicher 31:39

  100% Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you I wanted to make sure like that was the way you were asking it because I can't remember what day you go to my Instagram find it right now. But like I stopped, I stopped posting as posts. And I start putting in my story. Because it I just felt like a lot of the times. So I would always I would always highlight like, you know, untag organizations, and I would be like, Okay, this month's focal point is, you know, one more wave or homes for troops or like, Whatever, whatever the organization might be, like, I always do that in our posts. And so it was kind of nice convenient to do it that way. But then I just felt like there I got to a point where I'm just like, man, like, I'm not posting like to make sure these organizations are getting recognized or my posting because like, you know, I had I had a PR and I feel really good about Yeah, and I want to like So um, yeah, I got to a point where I just felt like man like I like I would think about like what I'm going to say my posts and like the first like two paragraphs it's like about me and the workout how it felt like what I did what I thought I did what like all these things, I'm just like it's taken too long, I'm thinking too much about it and that's not want to doing it. And so I just want to like I'm just honestly I'm putting my story because gonna be gone in 24 hours, I'll archive it, I'll be able to go back to it, I can save it. I can share it other people can share it because then like now like you can throw it in your story and you can go to my profile click the link in my bio and they're all there right so I just like my big thing was like Alright, you got to post it short clip whether it's me running a set of pull ups push ups and squats or whatever it might be like just the simplest quickest thing versus like me showing like three rounds or this and putting like a montage together like like hey, I'm just gonna show like it doesn't matter like I'm doing it doesn't matter it's getting done yeah, let me just Hey real quick. This sock to FOCA blah, blah, blah, donate, go to link in my bio and everybody can share and I'll tag like everybody like in in like my story and so so yeah, like definitely like messes with you a little bit like after a while you're like, because I mean, like it does suck and like like you still I still tried to get to get better every day like even to this point like I got a couple more left them like I still want to hit a good time and I still want to make sure like I'm not slacking off because like I don't want to disrespect like the workout or like what it represents and things like that. Yeah. And so like, you should like I still have pride in it for myself, you know, just actually completing the task, but I don't even with my with my own like, I don't want my own probably not to say this. I don't want to take away from what it represents. Just because like I want to do well you don't I mean, I

  JT 34:40

  get it man. I 100% get it and and you know, I feel like I was even going on a limit asking that question but it sounds like it's your own thought process to because yeah, you know, yeah, even there's so many things out there that that are again, this is this is coming from from my end that I you know you I have to question Is this an ego based thing that I'm putting out there? Or what is is an authentic concern? And and like, am I fulfilling the mission that I said I wanted to do? Or is it am I making it about me? And you know, those things, to be completely honest. And I think most people that put stuff out to the world, there's going to be days that that changes, there's, you know, there's always going to be that that thing you're doing it for, but there's ups and downs in that and sometimes putting ourselves in check. And it sounds like you've gone through that same experience. But moving on. I wanted to adaptation. How is your body? You mentioned these injuries you've gone through some of them have you've they're either so broken that you don't feel them anymore, or your body has adapted? How is this past year change changed your thought process on as a strength and conditioning coach, as as an athlete, or even how you work with your clients?

  Dew Spicher 36:06

  Right? Great question. Because all the time as I think about it all the time. I've definitely I've done in the past, I've done like some crazy stuff. Like one I forget when it was maybe like 2018 or something like that. I did. There's a there's a method called like five by five, where you like you do five sets of five reps, right? It's like old Texas method. And I did that every single day for all bench squat and deadlift six days a week for a month straight. And like, that's just stupid. Like, it was just so much volume intensity, and like, I definitely had, like, I got hurt doing that but kept going. And then I, I forget what else I I've just done like some you just kind of want to challenge a little bit. And so like, with this, just the sheer amount of volume of work, not even just daily, but just cumulatively day in and day out. Like, obviously, there's some, some injuries, but like, like, like we kind of talked about, they've either kind of like, healed up or I've compensated well enough now, where I don't really feel it, which is probably what's happening. But I think like one big thing that stands out to me is like you hear a lot of people, they always talk about like, oh, I don't want to overtrain or I don't want to you know, get into like a fatigue state or whatever. And just like I don't think most and like I thought about this, and I knew this was like, I knew this was a fact before I've done this, but it kind of just like reinforced it. I don't think most people train nearly hard enough to even know what overtraining feels like a lot who were like, Oh, it's too much work. It's too much volume. I can't do this. Like it hurts. It's just like, your body's Okay, your body will adapt to it. Not saying like what I did was like, Oh, everybody can do that. It's fine. I'm just saying generally, that was one big like real. And reinforcement for me was like, most people just aren't doing enough to even know what that feels like. They're just sore. Right? Like, that's okay. And so I think like that is one big thing. We kind of talked about like me, like I'm big heavy barbell lifter. So like running, not in like, okay, running more than, like 100 meters, not really my thing. But I've realized that having that aerobic capacity and aerobic conditioning like, is a huge driving force, not just for more aerobic work, but strength work as well, you know, makes your my push ups pull ups and squats a little bit easier, having like a better conditioning aspect from component to it. And so, like, there's definitely like these little bit of things, we're like, in the back of my mind, I guess, I know they're there. But like going through this kind of like, like I said, just kind of reinforces some things. And then on the flip side of that, and I guess like we can because you mentioned this earlier, I guess it'd be a good segue to it, but the amount of stress my body was probably going through and still is not great, you know,

  JT 39:30

  as a medical term.

  Dew Spicher 39:33

  Yeah, not great. Add in, like, honestly, I, I haven't really, I haven't shared this with anybody honestly, other than, like, immediate family and like maybe a few friends but like, like we just had our son three weeks ago, but I would say like maybe a month to month, month and a half and to doing this, we actually lost a baby. And so add in that add in I got I took over as athletic director for the school district here in addition to my full time job, which That in itself is a full time job. I was coaching for like, just, I don't know if like that loss, I just was like, I just need to put as much on my plate as possible. Yeah. But the amount of stress not even just from like working out, but from life from work from family like, dude. Like I'll put it this way I and I have talked about with one of my my best friends he's also a conditioning coach and he's been like my go to sure, like belang just vent to him like, Hey, this is going on. He'll be like, hey, like, this is what's happening. You need to like fix this. Up to this point, like, I never get sick, like, ever. I've been more sick this past year than like maybe the last five years combined. Again, haven't really shared this with like anybody except like my wife. I've had like multiple, like, anxiety and panic attacks, like in the middle of the night during the day. Just because of like everything I'm throwing on plate. And like making sure like, Okay, I still can't miss this Murphy, I got to make sure I hit it. Doing it like late at night. So I can take care of her things working until 2am. The more like, all of this stress adds up. And you think like you're fine, like, oh, like it's whatever, like sure, I'm tired. Sure, whatever. It'll, it'll be fine. And then you wake up one day you feel good, right? And you have your you have a cup of cup of coffee, I felt great. It was a normal day. And inside waking up and having that first cup of coffee within another 45 minutes me my wife on the way to the ER because I was like I had black stuff coming out both ends. I had the shakes. I was freezing cold, then sweating. I also have something called Raynaud's where it's like distal fingers and toes, a very poor blood flow. So like honestly, anything under like 60 degrees, like my fingers could start going white and things like that. Like it. Yeah, yeah. And I'm just I'm sweating one minute, the next minute. Like, both my hands are ghost white, like, it was horrible and escalated so quick. So just take to the hospital, they're on all these tasks to do all the blood work, I had to get a cat like everything. And they're like, there's really seen anything like everything looks okay, like some numbers were elevated a little bit. And, and then my wife is like, you're just you're doing too much like your, your body's just telling you like, no mas stop. And so and I didn't. And I missed that. That was the only day I missed. The next day I did it without like a vest or anything like that. I kind of just like ease my way into it. Yeah. But I mean, like the amount of stress, like I said, like, stress is stress, right? Like our body is going to digest it no matter where it's coming from. And so all that physical, mental emotional stress, it just, it adds up, man and like, Yeah, like that was probably like the highlight of everything and the peak of just how bad it got. But I mean, it's still tough to this day. I mean, like, just trying to find the right time to do it. Or, like I said, we got a new kid, I'm still working two jobs, like, It's still tough. So on the flip side of just like the good things that I can see, on the flip side of that as like a certification coach the bad side, you see, like, just like the amount of stress that your body can, it's not only so much that it can handle. And like whether I should have kept going or not. That's one thing. But I did so I guess like at this point, it's just more of a reflection of like, okay, like, understanding and knowing where to push, where to pull back and things like that,

  JT 44:02

  dude, like you said, we don't know each other. But when you start posting that, and I think I think you said you had a picture from the emergency room. And you mentioned black stuff coming out. I'm like, I was worried about your kidneys. I was like, Thank you, man. I was saying yeah, I'm like, Man, that's, and I appreciate you being vulnerable enough to talk about that. Because I I've said on here a bunch of other times, but I think when people totally if you've talked about this, and like, Hey, man, I just did it. And I just set my mind to it. And I've only thrived and it only got easier. Like, to me people. You lose people, right? Because anyone who went anytime I've shared this, I mean it's you I've had multiple people reach out like this dude's insane. Like the this is he's out of his mind. And it is a little crazy. But at the same time you're you're acknowledging the fact that my body responded in ways that said, told me I was a little crazy. Everyone's and I'm not talking about the actual mental side I'm talking about just the physical, the physical side aside of of dealing with that and, and to be able to be honest, I was shocked you told me before we hit record a I've got I've got a new baby. Obviously I didn't know and I'm sorry for your loss both yours and your wife's about losing a child but you know there's there's the sacrifice that you've made has the sacrifice that others around you have had to make surprised you? Is it something you thought about as much before you started this thing?

  Dew Spicher 45:36

  I did not think about as much. I honestly thought it was going to be like a good thing. So like for like for my cuz I'm like, Oh, well hey, like eventually I'm gonna get my because I started off my time was closer to like an hour. I'm like, Okay, well, best case scenario like as I get better, like there's only 45 minutes of time or like, I want to think about anything and go down workout, hit this and be done. make things easier than coming down and lift in for like 7590 minutes or whatever it is. Just, you know, I don't want I honestly I don't warm up or anything like I come down. Like, it doesn't matter how I feel like, grab the vest, put it on and like and I go. And so like that way I was like, okay, like that's gonna be more convenient for everybody. Like, it's just wasn't the case. You know, having a two and a half year old son, like my wife and I like both work full time jobs like we work from home. But then you add in another basically full time job as an athletic director. And then I was coaching and then I I trained. I still train people like physically here. Like all these, like, again, like I said before, like I was just putting my so much on my plate. And I always just make sure like, I always get my Murph done though, right. Yeah. And I think especially my wife, like, more so than anybody else, like, not realizing, you know, maybe like, wow, I'm down for that. 45 minutes, our kids upstairs losing his mind. Sure. Or maybe she didn't get something done with work. And she's trying to work on that. And maybe, I mean, like she's pregnant most of this time. Maybe she doesn't feel good. And like, I'm like, kind of like leaving her there. If I had to do the workout later in the day, or even just like, you know, since we've had two kids like, I've been, I've been really mindful of like, okay, when I do my workout, I have to make sure like, things are calm. They're either napping, yeah, you know, our oldest, he's, like, I say two and a half. Like, maybe he's at school, because he's at school, like, you know, everyday that week, but most days, making sure like, just get it done early enough or whatever. Maybe sometimes, like she goes over to her parents house because I got work to finish up and I'm just like, Okay, well, I'll just, I'll bang this out really quick, and then finish up some work while I'm here by myself like, and so like, not really realizing ahead of time, like the sacrifices she's gonna have to make. And she, she's been really supportive. She's also been like that same, like, because I've said it enough to like athletes and clients and stuff like that, she'll just throw right back in my face. She's like, do your body's telling you that like, right, you're not supposed to be like, I'm just like, I know, I know. Like, just leave me alone. I'll figure it out. And so she's just been, I mean, she's been my ride or die, like, through everything do like, she will always support me. She'll tell me how it is. And so like, she's, it's been really good to have that support. And she'll come in, she'll be honest, though, like days, like, like days where it was really inconvenient for her. It really sucked and she'll let me know. Yeah. Because if she doesn't, and I just keep going, like, it's just gonna make things even worse. So. And, like, again, like that kind of, kind of weighs on you while you're doing your workout to like, the day after, like, you have that conversation like shit, like, should I really be doing this right now? Like, is everything okay? Like, is she is she feeling okay, now that she need help, like, whatever. So like, things like that, and then doing it on days, like Christmas or Christmas Eve and New Year's and Thanksgiving, things like that, like, just stepping away from everybody for a little bit. You know, like, you just kind of feel bad, but you know, it is what it is. And I know, like a lot of people were like, oh, we'll just get it done first thing in the morning. It's like, well, it's not. It's not that easy. Like, it's not that simple, right? Or it's not that easy. Sorry. It's that's it's simple. It's not that easy. You know, we like my like this whole garage gym setups like, it's in our garage, which is right beneath my son's room and our room. And our garage door openers, like the loudest thing in the world. And so as soon as that happens if it was like 5am or whatever, dogs are freaking out, kids are up she's up. Mornings are just tough here like my wife and my my son and I guess both sons now. They're just not like morning people, man like they just, you know, they're just, they want to wake up when they Wake up, they don't want to be like, you know, disturbed or anything like that, which is totally fine. And so like, usually what I try to do is in the mornings, I get the work done, and I try to do things that are more quiet, and then just try to like, adjust throughout the day where I need to. So like, Yeah, I mean, the sacrifice of everybody around me was one thing I did not think about, didn't think it was gonna even be a factor. And I've just been really blessed that everybody has been so supportive and like understanding about it.

  JT 50:29

  Yeah. Yeah, it's, it takes a lot, right. You don't think about it. And sometimes because you're you're not doing it for you. You already feel like you're being selfless without without really thinking about the ramifications to other people. Because now you're you're requiring them to be selfless, also with your time, right, right. Yep. All right. Last few questions. Is there one thing that stands out as like, as you're on the homestretch, right? And there may need to be some time to truly answer this question after after you're done. But what what is the biggest thing you've taken away from this thing up until now?

  Dew Spicher 51:19

  As a great question, I think, and again, like you said, like, maybe I'll think of something later, yeah. But I think one of the biggest things right now is when there's inconvenient times to do this, or I don't feel good, or it is a holiday, or whatever it might be. One of the first things to think about is those men and women, whether it's military law enforcement, like they don't get an option, you know, and it's not even, you could take this a step further and saying, like, there's other professionals out there other than law enforcement, and military where they don't really get a choice on how they feel or what day it is to have to go and serve somebody else. And I think that was one big thing for me was just getting rid of all the excuses and just kind of just sucking it up for like, I mean, for 45 minutes, sucking it up, and just getting that done. I think like that was like one of the biggest takeaways was just reflecting on I don't have it that bad. And it could be a lot worse. And finding ways to support those people who actually do what they do. I mean, there's definitely other big takeaways and things like that, like mentally, physically, emotionally, and stuff like that. But like, that was probably one of the things like homework, it was almost daily, like a almost a daily thought where, you know, I would love to go just like hanging out and do something like, Well, you know, what, there's a guy right now on patrol somewhere, and, you know, it's part of mine, I just got shot or something like that, to see, I'm sure he does not want to be there right now. Like, he doesn't have a choice. He's got to be there, somebody's got to do it. And, you know, you can go into the military, like, I mean, they're not even home and like, I even had clients, you know, like, also start with me, and their home. And then like, they'll be away in deployment for like, three to six months, whatever it is, and like, even just talking to them, like, like, they don't want to be there, man. Like, they're just, but but they're there and they're doing their job and they're not like bitching about it. And so, like, I think that was one of the biggest takeaways and like, you kind of mentioned earlier, like, people's workouts are like, when they do workouts like they're not really trying very hard and like don't realize how hard they're actually working and the motivation behind it and like just thinking like, oh, it's easy for everybody. And so I just think I mean, like, to me, like it's, it's something really simple you can do is just show up every day, do something difficult, and it doesn't have to be working out but like, just how can you make yourself and those around you better and how can you serve people a little bit better too?

  JT 54:19

  Yeah, yeah, beautifully said man. I may have another question after this one but but we're gonna start off with how fucking ready are you for this to be over?

  Dew Spicher 54:35

  Pretty ready I mean, like, it's, it's honestly to a point now. Where I like like, hit them or if I just like I just Just another day, whatever. Like, I'm gonna gonna go do this. Like, it's not easy though. Like, don't do not get me wrong. Right, right. Right, right. Like yesterday was Memorial Day and I was like, Alright, I want to hit a really good time. So I think I think I came in Like, right around 40 Which isn't isn't a PR, which is really close though. And like my loop app was like being really weird. I saw your Yeah, it's really annoying, great product but man, like it has been low glitchy. But like it still sucked, you know, like, my heart rate was still up there, man, I'm still gas like it's still suck like it's, it's never easy thing. And so like, I got what I'm done on the first which is Thursday, but I got four more to do so like, probably today I'm not there to double like that's miserable because you just feel like crap for an hour and a half. Yeah. And the next day you feel even worse. But yeah, man, I'm ready to just like, just have like a day or I'm just like, Ah, maybe I'll just go for a walk, you know, something like that. And kind of get back into like, I'm, I've lost a good bit of weight, a good bit of size and strength and like, getting back into the heavier lifting. But like I will say what I will probably do at least is one Murph, like every week, yeah, one Murph every week, like no matter what, like, just because I don't know, like, I it sucks, but I still just really enjoy it. And like, even though we talked about all the negative side effects, there's still a lot of good coming from it. And just keeping some of those components and those things that I've built up from, I don't want to lose it, you know, like, I just spent a year doing this, like I don't, I want to still be able to do some of these things, I still wanna be able to run, you know, two miles, at will, I still want to be able to, like, bang out these push ups and these pull ups comfortably. So it's only going to help me and, you know, doing it once a week, not every day, like, maybe I get better at it maybe a little bit harder. And like both of those things can be good. Like, if it's a little bit easier than then great, I can challenge myself a little bit more, maybe try like that heavier, best again. And then if it's harder, then great, I get to push myself really hard once a week and just see what I can join, like, see what I'm capable of. So as much as I am ready to be done. And I'm sure my wife is very ready for me to be done too. I probably will keep it as part of like, my normal training regimen.

  JT 57:22

  And that was what when I said I might have another one it was Do you worry about being done with it? Of of having this thing in your life that has a steady seven days a week with a higher purpose? You know, because a lot of times when people they have these big, audacious goals in their life, when those are over, there's a there's a drop off, right like this this sense of purpose. Is that something you've you've thought about?

  Dew Spicher 57:53

  Oh yeah. Maybe like it was March or April, I was like maybe I'll do like an ultra marathon and like, maybe I want to try to like hit something crazy. And I just start thinking like, what's next? What's next? And I was like, I just need to like, I should take it in stride. And day by day. Like, I've already had people, multiple people, where you were gonna do next year, do this next, you're gonna try this and things like that. It's just like, oh, no, probably probably not. What I will probably try to do is just, at least like, personally, is just, you know, try to get back to, you know, being as strong as possible, moving as fast as possible, feeling healthy. And then like, still be able to bang this out, like, you know, at any moment's notice. And then, in addition to that, I think like, the biggest thing for me is okay, I'm doing this to raise awareness and, and bring attention to all these great organizations. And I'm sure there's even more that I'm not even touching on. Do I need to do something crazy to highlight that, like, probably not. So I think like, one thing for me is trying to figure out how can I pivot? You know, this crazy challenge that's like, kind of grabbed people's attention. And I guess in the click that link in my bio to donate, how can I get, you know, more awareness and more involvement with things like that, you know, is it is it reaching out locally to some things around here? Like, you know, there are organizations locally that I can start, like, doing more work for? Is there a way I can, like, partner up with somebody and like, highlight things for them? So I just think like, that's probably the biggest thing. Because like you said, like, you're doing this thing for like, a higher purpose. And once you're done, like, you almost feel like, well, like, what are you doing now? Yeah. So I think like, for me, it's just like, taking a step back and kind of looking at everything and saying, How can I make an impact now on like, the same communities, the same people? Um, so I'm not even really sure what that looks like. Yeah. But I think like, I don't think I have to do some crazy 365 day challenge or something like that, like, I'm sure there's other ways and I'll probably like just try to talk to other people and like figure out like how to get there, but Right. But I think like, that's like the biggest thing is just making sure I can still have an impact somewhere.

  JT 1:00:24

  Yeah, 100% Ma'am. Something I realized we didn't even cover what are the organizations that you've been doing? You're doing this for and kind of what do they mean to you?

  Dew Spicher 1:00:32

  Right, so the first one is the lieutenant Michael Murphy foundation. That's the one where the Murph Murph challenge each year, that's all the money like proceeds go to everybody who like bought a shirt and stuff like this year for the Murph. That's where it all goes to. So like, that was the first one. The next one is fit for duty Foundation. And that is an organization, it's actually the guy who I saw do the Murf 365 before me, he's part of running that. And they help law enforcement officers get free gym memberships for like, you know, a certain period of time, just to make things like make sure they make maintain actual fitness, they do their job. Global War on Terrorism Memorial Foundation, actually met, like the president of that summer strong at sore necks like a couple of years ago, and just heard about that it was amazing. It's actually made a lot of progress. Like I think they were trying to get, like, whatever passed and be like an actual like Memorial, like an actual, like National Memorial got passed. So like that is one, I just highlight an actual Global War on Terrorism like that we've been fighting since like, what like it's been, I mean, shoot, it has been, what, 23 years, right. So just highlighting that mission 22 homes for our troops help hard, which is a local one, from a Coffee Company. Here. It's a veteran owned coffee company called crazy orange coffee. They have something called Help hard. And every month, they kind of highlight something different. It could be helping out a local kid, you know, helping servicemen and women, whatever, they just they do a lot of really good community outreach. And that is veteran owned, and I just really wanted to support them as well. Then adopt a cop BJJ. This is another one that a client of mine actually told me about. And so essentially, you're providing money for BJJ, gym, or dojo, to basically sponsor a cop. I think they do it up until their they get like their blue belt maybe. And so which is just another really amazing thing. Like we talked so much about like the military service. And I really wanted to highlight like law enforcement as well, like just making sure like, people who do this every single day for their entire career. Like they have things available to them to do. And so that was another big one.

  JT 1:03:12

  Yeah. Do you before you mentioned any more, I just want to point out that if somebody hears down they're like, why are we just teaching cops to learn jujitsu? That one cuts down on on the amount of injuries to potential perpetrators. Like it's something like, I don't know, six year 80%

  Dew Spicher 1:03:30

  That's a big chunk.

  JT 1:03:32

  So this is this goes towards the people that are being arrested as well as the officers involved. This is a nothing but a plus plus across the board for law enforcement professionals that have to put hands on somebody to have those skills. Is it nothing, it's a it's a win across the board, but sorry, go ahead.

  Dew Spicher 1:03:55

  No, yeah, I mean, I'm glad you said that too. Because I feel like that's a maybe it's just the feed that I have. But you know, like seeing so like how many instances that end so poorly with altercation with law enforcement, how easily they could end in a good situation, just from somebody like having the training in the background? Whether honestly, like, obviously having some sort of you know, grappling background would probably help most of them out like you said like that large 60 to 70 percentage but I mean, even just like the fit for duty foundation I mean getting our law enforcement officers in shape in how many and like that's probably like the most detrimental thing is like you're expected go out there and like you know, keep the peace and you can't walk more than a mile because you don't have the standards. Fitness wise to like actually get there so all the there was, like we talked about this like was one of the first things we talked about, like the embedding of like choosing like there's a purpose for like choosing the These organizations that like the reason I chose them, I'm actually circling back and just making sure I didn't miss any. The last one was the black rifle coffee fund. So Black rifle Coffee Company, I'm sure like a lot of people have heard about them. They're, they're everywhere now. But they have a fund and a foundation where you can directly donate to. And they give, and they raised a lot of money. Yeah. And they give it to organizations and foundations that they deem appropriate to, like, get the funds needed and things like that. So like, you're essentially giving them money to give money to somebody else. And so that was like one late where I added really late. They actually reached out and said, Hey, like, we have this font, you can like add to it and things like that. So yeah, it was very cool. And seeing some of the work that they can do. So just it was one of those things where like, they have way bigger reach than I do if someone donates. I know for sure, like it's getting some work for

  JT 1:05:57

  sure. And correct me I'm wrong. One more wave as well. Right?

  Dew Spicher 1:06:01

  Yes, yes. Yes. One more wave. I think we talked about that one, like early on before we started. So cool, man. Like, it was like, I don't surf. I never have right? Probably never will. Right. And if I do, I'll record it. Because I guarantee you, it's going to be a laugh for somebody. But like, you know, them doing that really caught my attention because it's so out of the box, you know, it's not something that's just a like, we're gonna make sure they get closer. Like they're gonna they're gonna give them something that they absolutely love to do on something that gives them like peace of mind, and just kind of puts them in that space where they feel at peace. So I thought that one was so cool. And actually really funny note that I just forgot. One of my, my, my wife's cousins, he, he's former military, he's actually he's, he's in Swat now. He has been a big support for me. And a big driving force for this as well. And he sent me a link for silkies for one more way. And he was like you have he's like, if you don't do Murph in these, he's like, I he's like, none of them count. And so I tried and like, I think they were like, out of stock or something like that. And so I think he just forgot, and hopefully he doesn't see this, because I guarantee if he does, he's gonna circle back and be like, Dude, you have to, he has to do a Murph and one of those are like, none of this actually accounted?

  JT 1:07:34

  Yeah, we're gonna, I might put you in touch with the founder of that as well, because that he would love to hear this The support. And we'll really dig what you're doing. So that'd be amazing.

  Yeah. Do you man, it's been a real pleasure. You know, I always feel like it's a bit of it's a bit of a gamble, jumping on with somebody, I

  don't know. And it talks about stuff. But But boy, this is one that 100% paid off. I've really enjoyed the conversation. I respect what you're doing. I foresee us having some more conversations here in the future, and just maybe maybe finding ways that we can team up and bring more money attention to everything that we both have a shared interest in. So appreciate you, man.

  Dew Spicher 1:08:13

  Yeah, 100%, I really appreciate you having me on man, what you're doing is amazing. And awesome. I actually caught wind of you like v if you want as well. And so I would absolutely love to help you any way that I can. Maybe what we talked about earlier, making the impact, like maybe it's something I can do for you and like help out. And just bring awareness to what you're doing. And we can hopefully together have a bigger reach. So awesome. And I'd love that.

  JT 1:08:39

  Awesome. Bye bye. Take care. I look forward to you being done with this just for you, your own your own mental physical health and those of your family. So I'll talk to you again when you're finished. And I appreciate it. Cheers. Alright, that's a wrap. Huge thanks to do spike for coming on here. sharing his story being on being vulnerable about some some things that he's gone through. Also, big thanks to everyone who supports this podcast. You know, this is just part of something bigger part of a co H is a is a nonprofit. I mentioned in the in the front, the front half of this thing about all the things we've got coming up all these events, these workshops, well, I got a newsflash for you, that shit ain't free. Right? Everything that happens is because of companies and people in other organizations that that find value in what we're doing. And they help support it and they do that financially. So if you'd like to join, if you want to be part of this, you wanna be part of the team, then head on over to consequence of habit.org hit that donate button it would be it would be huge. One of the benefits of being a small nonprofit is it only takes a little bit from the supporters to have this this massive effect on on what we're doing. So if you could do that, I would be greatly indebted. Alright, until next week. Have a good one. This show is brought to you by the team here at consequence of habit is an arm of our 501 C three nonprofit show is produced and edited by the one and only Anthony Palmer is part of the palm tree pod company network of podcasts.